Using Z-Temp / RaftAway vs. Z-Suite

[travis]

Has anyone done any testing or know the differences between using Z-Temp to modify temperature vs. simply setting a lower temperature in Z-Suite's Advanced Settings?

Same question applies to using RaftAway vs. Z-Suite's Advanced Settings to set a lower print speed.

The only ones I know about thus far (updating this list as people answer):
Z-Temp vs. Z-Suite

• you can select more layer heights (.09-.39) if you use the Z-ABS profile and use Z-Temp to modify temperature
• mid-print extrusion temp adjustment
• higher upper temperature limit
  
• any purely aesthetic differences that won't change your print, i.e. temperature display, ColorTemp™, Heater activity monitor light
• small time savers, such as skipping extruder heating for material change or bed heating
  
• ?

RaftAway vs. Z-Suite

• obviously RaftAway can remove the raft, Z-Suite cannot
• RaftAway can modify the extrusion multiplier for the first layer only
• ?

Z-Suite can do:
Print speed modification
Print extrusion temp modification (not on the fly like Z-Temp, which is cool if you want to change to a material with a different extrusion temperature)

I repeat my question, has anyone done any testing or know more differences between them?
I'm mainly talking print quality, do they affect qualities of prints in different ways?
Given that all other slicing settings were the same (layer height, etc):
- does reducing the temp on Z-Temp have the same effect as setting it in Z-Suite?
- does lowering the speed in RaftAway have the same effect as lowering it in Z-Suite?

Side note: Z-Temp (the company) beware, all it might take is a couple software changes to make (some of) your hardware nearly obsolete. Not trying to be doomy-gloomy here, just saying.

[Julia Truchsess]

Changing temperature with Z-Temp is identical to changing it in Z-Suite; no difference in quality.

I'm not sure about speed control via raftaway vs speed control in Z-Suite.

Raftaway can modify the extrusion multiplier for the first layer only, which is very useful for raftless printing where you usually don't want the extrusion multiplier applied over the entire print.

In addition to "on-the-fly" temperature changes during a print (which I actually don't do very often), it's really nice to be able to set the temperature for a specific material at the start of a print without having to re-slice. For example, I like to print colorFabb PLA at 205, JustPLA at 200, MakerGeeks at 215-220, etc. I often use different materials based on whatever I have laying around, or specific job requirements. Do you really want to have to create and maintain a separate sliced file for every single material you ever use? And how do you keep track of what settings were used in each file - include the extrusion and bed temperature in every filename? Without a temperature display, how do you know what temperature your print is actually using, unless you are meticulous about file naming and organization?

I still use Z-Temp and the Z-ABS profile for all materials.

Z-Temp and its bed switch are really handy for speeding things up when waiting for the printer to heat. Sometimes I know that it doesn't matter whether or not the bed is fully up to temp for a particular print, so I can "cheat" by dropping the switch a notch or two to force the print to start; as soon as it changes to "heating extruder" I turn it back up again. In a similar way, you can adjust the extrusion temperature to speed up loading and unloading etc.

One other point: Z-Suite has a maximum temperature of 290º. Using Z-Temp you can increase that to 350º for experimentation with high-temperature materials. With some simple mods you can get it above 400º.

[travis]

Actually, yeah, I do include that info in filenames. Typing it once saves time later if I decide to reprint something, plus it helps when I want to compare different settings to each other.

I usually name files like this:
thingname_material_temp_layerheight_infill_speedchangeifany_timetoprint.zcode
i.e.
marvin_pla_210_.19_low_1h2m.zcode

with the Z-Temp installed, "material_temp_" gets replaced with "zabs" which lets me know to expect z-abs settings and use the z-temp to adjust the temp manually.

I understand the ease of using the Z-ABS profile for everything and just setting the temp manually. I'm not arguing against the convenience of that.

In response to "Do you really want to have to create and maintain a separate sliced file for every single material you ever use?"...
This question is a bit over dramatic. I don't print every single file in every single material I ever use. If I decide to print some file in more than one material, then yes, I will have multiple zcode files. Sure, this may not be necessary with a Z-Temp (assuming temperature is the only difference between these files), but Z-Temp doesn't fix a real problem here, it is just more convenient if you own one.

And to your comments on "speeding things up". Prints take a long time. Even the shortest prints take hours. I don't care much about skipping the 30 seconds it might take to finish heating the bed or the extruder, which doesn't make a dent on the overall time. Sure, I might do it because I have the capability, but spending hundreds of dollars to do it? I don't know.

The only real, solid advantages to owning a Z-Temp on printing so far seem to be what I listed above: a single additional layer height option and the ability to change temperature on the fly, and what you mentioned, the higher temperature upper limit.

If Zortrax Z-Suite decides to:

- allow more layer heights in the Advanced Settings
- allows a higher upper temp limit (which the system is already capable of or it wouldn't work with Z-Temp)
- and puts the ability to change temperature at preselected layers (which other slicing software already has, so they may already be working on, plus you can already pause at preselected layers)

--> then the Z-Temp loses it's last remaining advantages. Everything you could do with a Z-Temp can be done with Z-Suite. And the crappy thing is ... this is only software for Zortrax. They just have to release a new version with those features and instantly the Z-Temp is just a convenience.

[Julia Truchsess]

The only real, solid advantages to owning a Z-Temp on printing so far seem to be what I listed above: a single additional layer height option and the ability to change temperature on the fly, and what you mentioned, the higher temperature upper limit.

You left out being able to see the actual extruder temperature, which you may or may not find useful. And yes, Zortrax may add that capability someday, too!

I'm not here to convince you or anyone else to buy my products - you asked some questions and I tried to answer them. Those who use the products know their value. I doubt many owners, if any, have tossed their Z-Temp in light of the new Z-Suite features. If you don't think it's worthwhile for you, that's fine.

[travis]

You left out being able to see the actual extruder temperature, which you may or may not find useful. And yes, Zortrax may add that capability someday, too!

Seeing the extruder temperature isn't necessary, especially if you know what it'll be at certain layers from slicing. Another convenience.

I'm not here to convince you or anyone else to buy my products -

You should be!

Those who use the products know their value. I doubt many owners,

You're talking about me, too! I own Z-Temp!

That is why I made this post. I wanted to find out what the real differences between Z-Temp (& RaftAway) and Z-Suite were. It makes me sad that your responses have been emotionally fueled and reactive.

[Julia Truchsess]

Glad to hear you're a user, and hope you like the product(s). Of course I have some emotional attachment to the line; a large part of my life over the past 2-1/2 years has been devoted to it. I don't mean to sound defensive, but when someone asks "why would I want to use this now" and I go through the list of all the reasons you might want to, it inevitably does sound a bit defensive. I don't really enjoy being a salesperson, I enjoy designing good products that hopefully people want to use.

Seeing the temperature may not be "necessary" usually, but it sure is nice, or "convenient" if you prefer. Running a printer whose temperature I can't see feels like being blind to me. It can also be informative/educational to observe the overshoots and undershoots of the printer's control system - you'd never see that prints often launch 20 degrees higher than set and drop 10 or more degrees below the set point when the fan(s) turn on. And of course when debugging printer problems, one of the first questions that always comes up is "is the extruder at the proper temperature?". Even without the LCD, just being able to look across the room and know that I set it for the correct temperature, or that I forgot that I'd done an unload and it's sitting there hot waiting for me,

For me, the whole thing of setting every print parameter at slicing time is analogous to having a self-driving car where you have to set your speed before leaving the house, and it can't be changed once you start. Not having a temperature display on the printer is like riding in that car without a speedometer

[travis]

Running a printer whose temperature I can't see feels like being blind to me.

I often tell people that the Zortrax is the Apple computer of printers. You can't do a whole lot of customization, but it just works.

I myself am a maker and a hacker and an engineer, so I agree that seeing the temperature is great. But, I bet most people who buy a Zortrax (and most people who don't own 3d printers today, for technical reasons) would rather never know the temperature. That is how Zortrax designed it... pick a material, click "print", and you are off. If you want informative and educational, you don't buy Zortrax.

For me, the whole thing of setting every print parameter at slicing time is analogous to having a self-driving car where you have to set your speed before leaving the house, and it can't be changed once you start.

Well that is a silly analogy, cars HAVE to speed up and slow down. Printers don't have to (and usually don't) change parameters after they "leave the house". They also don't have to react to other printers. But you know what, if my self driving car knew exactly the right speed for each road on the way to my destination, and I could just allow it to handle that... I sure would! And, if all cars were self-driving and under the same speed regulations, I wouldn't care if there was a speedometer, either!

[travis]

Also, some advice, take it or leave it:

If you expect these software changes to eventually arrive in Z-Suite, perhaps that will give you a new perspective with which to proceed future-proofing your company.

I hope you succeed! I do like your products! Some of them can't easily be replaced with software changes (like Z-Sense and the ability to use any bed surface). If the "M201" ends up having a hardware endstop, though...

[Julia Truchsess]

I have of course been aware of the possibility of Zortrax preempting or defeating these products since Day One. I weighed the risks and proceeded cautiously at each step. The project started as a dare/challenge, then became a community service, then a small sideline business. It's not my main business, and I never had any illusions of being able to live off it.

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